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1. greypilgrim (greypilgrim@fosstodon.org)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Feb-2022 16:31:56 UTC greypilgrim

   • Bernie
   • janči

   @janci @codewiz I wonder what it takes to become a maintainer.

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jan-2022 21:21:01 UTC Bernie

     I was disappointed to find that my #ArchLinux box is still on glibc 2.33, while #Fedora 35 and #Ubuntu 21.10 have been shipping 2.34 for several months.

     GCC is also still at 11.1, when 11.2 has been around since last September.

     Apparently, there's an issue with Arch toolchain maintainers frequently burning out when users point fingers at them of breaking their favorite application or their configuration:
     https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=270662
     (scroll down past the dismissive comments by jasonwryan)

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jan-2022 21:30:27 UTC Bernie

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     I wasn't there to see how the Arch community treated the toolchain devs, but I wonder: why couldn't toolchain updates bake for a while in testing before rolling out to everyone?

     And also is Arch building glibc in some non-standard way that's exposing bugs that don't get caught by Fedora and Ubuntu?

     I'm trying to understand if toolchain maintenance is inherently more complex in Arch for some reason, or there are simply fewer hands on deck to do it.

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jan-2022 22:44:35 UTC Bernie

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     • Kaito

     @kai You forgot to say "By the way," 😂

   • Kaito (kai@ajin.la)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jan-2022 22:44:37 UTC Kaito

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     • Bernie

     @codewiz ldd --version
     ldd (Clear Linux Software for Intel Architecture) 2.34
     gcc --version
     gcc (Clear Linux OS for Intel Architecture) 11.2.1 :clearlinux:

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Feb-2022 07:16:51 UTC Bernie

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     Epilogue: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Arch-Linux-Toolchain-State

     #ArchLinux #glibc #gcc

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Feb-2022 16:31:55 UTC Bernie

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     • janči

     @greypilgrim @janci First off, a thick skin to deal with mean users 😂

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Feb-2022 16:46:32 UTC Bernie

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     • janči

     @greypilgrim @janci Serious answer: I maintained minor packages in Fedora and Ubuntu. Pacman doesn't seem harder.

     The hard problem with maintaining core distro packages is testing and interacting with upstream to get patches for specific blockers.

     A smart maintainer with little free time won't deviate too far from how major distros configure and install the toolchain.