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1. Santiago (santiago@mastodon.uy)'s status on Monday, 03-Oct-2022 23:48:44 UTC Santiago

   Lo estaba diciendo en un chat... y lo pongo acá para debatir... Me parece que para se den las condiciones para el surgimiento de lideres de la talla de Lula, Mujica, Cristina, etc. las condiciones de vida (por lo menos en Uruguay) tienen que deteriorarse mucho más de lo que estan... o sea, tiene que deshacerse todo lo hecho y que la gente sufra, que la clase media sufra... todavía la clase media (la que queda) no sufre, esta en la casa sentada en el sofá mirando Netflix, conmprándose un celular nuevo o haciendo un reel en instagram... mientras que no pase eso, la gente no va a reaccionar. No hay causas colectivas por las que luchar, como decía uno en la 530 hoy, el lema de la izquierda no puede ser, luchar contra la inflación o que no gane macri... ese no puede ser el plan. en los 60s y 70s había una idea de que venía el hombre nuevo... etc. Eso no pasa hoy en día, la gente va a votar lo que le solucione el problema del momento, el gobierno que mejor cuide mi propiedad privada, etc... Al no haber una causa colectiva, solo quedan causas individuales. Ganó el individualismo y por ende el capitalismo #capitalismo #izquierda #política #américa #latina #latinoamérica #yameiba

   • Scott (scott@mastodon.uy)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Oct-2022 04:51:43 UTC Scott

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     @santiago
     Is it really that bad in Uruguay? I was under the impression Uruguay was a role model for Latin America in terms of government transparency and accountability, as well as having a large middle class.

   • Santiago (santiago@mastodon.uy)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Oct-2022 04:57:42 UTC Santiago

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     @Scott transparency and acccountability yes, but i'm talking about the roadmap of left wing movements and rigth wing ones.

   • Scott (scott@mastodon.uy)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Oct-2022 05:06:04 UTC Scott

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     Is Uruguay in danger of adopting an American style of society? I've always felt Canada was a decade behind the US in terms of social attitudes, which has me a little reluctant to move back there until the US sorts itself out.

   • Santiago (santiago@mastodon.uy)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Oct-2022 14:25:10 UTC Santiago

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     @Scott The western countries including latin america have a goal that is to reproduce capitalism and american way of life. This is empowered by right-wing governments with the express help of the US. Back in the 60s and 70s there were a bunch of dictatorships organized by the CIA and supported by the US that included murderer of elected left-wing presidents, like Salvador Allende in Chile. The elite classes in latin america wish to reproduce the american way of life based on racism, inequality, private property and vague values like family and exaltation of other like authoritarianism and militarism, take a look at Bolsonaro in Brasil.

   • Scott (scott@mastodon.uy)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Oct-2022 23:55:03 UTC Scott

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     Is Uruguay in danger of becoming as fractious socially and politically as the US currently is?

   • Santiago (santiago@mastodon.uy)'s status on Wednesday, 05-Oct-2022 04:15:17 UTC Santiago

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     • Scott

     @Scott maybe in a few decades, maybe