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1. Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Wednesday, 02-Nov-2022 11:21:00 UTC Bernie

   • Srevin Saju

   How to learn Japanese from scratch
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkQ-c_U0GNc
   #japanese @srevinsaju

   • Srevin Saju (srevinsaju@mstdn.io)'s status on Friday, 04-Nov-2022 08:18:36 UTC Srevin Saju

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     @codewiz ayy thanks! ❤️

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Sunday, 06-Nov-2022 08:04:22 UTC Bernie

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     • Srevin Saju

     @srevinsaju This Wikipedia page explains the various nuisances of polite language / humble language / prefixes / honorific titles, etc:
     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honorific_speech_in_Japanese#Polite_language

     Standard courses mainly focus on teaching keigo because it's essential in school, business and many interactions.

     In anime you'll hear a lot of informal speech, and sometimes slang or archaic language.

     Even as a beginner it's easy to guess which one is which. When in doubt, err on the side of using keigo and nobody will get offended.

   • Srevin Saju (srevinsaju@mstdn.io)'s status on Sunday, 06-Nov-2022 08:04:24 UTC Srevin Saju

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     @codewiz i found another interesting video from the same person, “How Kaguya Sama speaks Japanese”, which actually talked a lot about the differences in her usage of Keigo (use of honorific?)

   • Srevin Saju (srevinsaju@mstdn.io)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Nov-2022 08:36:59 UTC Srevin Saju

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     @codewiz Ah makes sense, but I was wondering if keigo is too formal for normal day to day use, and others might think you are a weirdo in this case, because most schools, like you mentioned, start off with teaching keigo.

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Nov-2022 11:44:38 UTC Bernie

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     • Srevin Saju

     @srevinsaju keigo is absolutely used every day and expected when addressing teachers and people you don't know well. It's also common between coworkers and students until you become friends.

     Even with people you know for a long time, it's common to keep using "-san" until they explicitly ask you to drop it. Telling people to call you by name too early is also awkward, so let them call you Saju-san and get used to it!

   • Srevin Saju (srevinsaju@mstdn.io)'s status on Friday, 11-Nov-2022 23:32:45 UTC Srevin Saju

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     • Benoit

     @benoit @codewiz lol, the second and third phrase makes sense, but the first one went above my head!

   • Benoit (benoit@toots.benpro.fr)'s status on Friday, 11-Nov-2022 23:32:46 UTC Benoit

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     @codewiz @srevinsaju keigo is like another language...
     When clerk staff talk to me I can't understand a thing. Then my girlfriend translate keigo to casual and I understand 😂

     For example recently I learnt: 不明点はございませんか。
     Which is formal: 質問がありますか。
     Casual: 質問ある？

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Friday, 11-Nov-2022 23:33:17 UTC Bernie

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     • Srevin Saju

     @srevinsaju @benoit The "ございませんか" part deserves some explanation:

     ご, traditionally written 御, is a honorific prefix to make the word more polite, as in ごはん (rice, meal). With certain words, it's pronounced お, as in お茶 (tea):

     ざ, traditionally written 座, literally means "sit", but combined with 御 it means "to be" or "to exist" in a super polite way:
     https://jisho.org/search/%E5%BE%A1%E5%BA%A7

     います is the keigo, -masu form of 在, also meaning "to be":
     https://jisho.org/word/%E5%9C%A8%E3%81%99-1

     So, yes, it's repeated twice 😂
     #japanese

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Friday, 11-Nov-2022 23:33:31 UTC Bernie

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     • Benoit
     • Srevin Saju

     @srevinsaju @benoit The "ございませんか" part deserves some explanation:

     ご, traditionally written 御, is a honorific prefix to make the word more polite, as in ごはん (rice, meal). With certain words, it's pronounced お, as in お茶 (tea):

     ざ, traditionally written 座, literally means "sit", but combined with 御 it means "to be" or "to exist" in a super polite way:
     https://jisho.org/search/%E5%BE%A1%E5%BA%A7

     います is just the keigo, -masu form of 在, also meaning "to be":
     https://jisho.org/word/%E5%9C%A8%E3%81%99-1

     So, yes, it's repeated twice 😂

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Friday, 11-Nov-2022 23:57:13 UTC Bernie

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     • Srevin Saju

     Confusingly, there are two identically pronounced versions of "to be":

     在す = imasu = "to be" super-keigo

     居ます = imasu = "to be" masu form for people and animals

     Don't worry, everyone writes います nowadays, or just いる when they don't have to be polite.

     However, there are *many* other verbs which are *also* pronounced いる, but should be written with the correct kanji!
     https://jisho.org/search/%E3%81%84%E3%82%8B

     ...or so I think. The rules are very flexible 🙂

     @srevinsaju @benoit
     #japanese

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Saturday, 12-Nov-2022 00:08:39 UTC Bernie

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     • Benoit
     • Srevin Saju

     Also, います following another verb in て(te) form makes it a continuous action:

     見ています = watching
     食べいます = eating

     https://www.learn-japanese-adventure.com/japanese-verbs-progress-action.html

     So, perhaps that ございます could be interpreted as "being" / "existing"... even though the first verb is not in the usual て form.

     #japanese @srevinsaju @benoit

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Saturday, 12-Nov-2022 00:15:38 UTC Bernie

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     • Srevin Saju

     Often, the い in ーています is dropped, and of course います can become いる when you're talking to your defeated enemy:

     お前はもう死んでいる。

     #japanese @srevinsaju @benoit

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Saturday, 12-Nov-2022 00:31:20 UTC Bernie

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     • Benoit
     • Srevin Saju

     Yes, that お before 前 (in front) is the same keigo honorific prefix we've seen before, but nowadays it has a sarcastic nuisance that makes it slightly disrespectful:
     https://jisho.org/word/%E3%81%8A%E5%89%8D

     If your little brother is misbehaving, you can just say "お前...", and that alone should suffice, you can omit the rest of the sentence.

     #japanese
     @srevinsaju @benoit

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Saturday, 12-Nov-2022 00:36:43 UTC Bernie

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     • Srevin Saju

     An alternative pronoun with built-in disapproval is あんた, which is just a contraction of あなた. A friend told me that she uses あんた with her children when scolding them.

     https://www.japanesewithanime.com/2017/08/anata-omae-kimi-kisama-meaning.html

     @srevinsaju @benoit