Notices by 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org), page 135

@_lunawinters dry? TL?

@saxnot

Sure, thanks

@jump_spider

@saxnot

We remind ebvery new user to read it. But if they behave in a way that demonstrates that they did not then we will temporarily silence if needed and otherwise let them know how/why they violated it to ensure they dont continue to do so in the future.

None of that is possible for a non-english speaker.

@jump_spider

@jump_spider

More importantly, how does it serve the interests of the community to host people who can not speak english, who can not understand the rules, and who can not be directed by the moderators when acting inappropriately.

To me it seems like as it stands now anyone who doesnt speak english is effectively immune from the rules of the community all together.

@saxnot

@jump_spider Well considering most the mass slaughters in the USA were against unarmed protesters.. it would seem that arming people reduces overall harm more so than having only one side armed (which tends to result in mass killings)

@saxnot

Yes and no. If they found they had to fill it in, wait a day, then they got banned 5 minutes after their first post and had to repeat, then i agree, they would avoid it.

But when their spam goes unnoticed for weeks or months on end (which seems to be the pattern with ads in foreign languages so far) then that small initial effort is well worth it for them.

@jump_spider

@jump_spider

And if they do not live up to what they say? What if someone wants to come here with the sole intention of spamming advertisements in a foreign langauge and simply claims to want to come here for stem so they can get access? How would we prevent that after the fact in a way that is quick and before it has a chance to pollute the timeline for everyone.

You have to remember spam is a huge problem on the fediverse, just as much as any email server.

@saxnot

@jump_spider In theory maybe, so why is it that almost never happens then?

Presumably if guns were legal in HK then they would have a similar gun culture as america.

In fact int he USa what few examples I can think of where protesters were slaughtered, en masse, were cases where the government had all the guns and the people had none, usually in gun-free zones..

So if anything the evidence not only disagrees with you but it suggests the opposite.

@saxnot

If we enacted such a rule then people who dont speak fluent english would not be allowed on the instance.

If they dont speak english how did they read the rules and understand them or even know that we are a STEM instance for that matter. We are not a general purpose instance, we are not here to cater to everyone.

@jump_spider

@jump_spider Would they? Thats not what happens in other countries where guns are legal. PRotesters are usually completely seperated from the battlefields with only a few rare exceptions.

In the USa when people protest no one is shooting them down with machine guns just because some people int he country happen to own guns and use them.

@jump_spider

Do we really want to have a new moderator for every new language. Having as many moderators as there are people doesnt seem viable.

As for relying on people to report, in theory that sounds reasonable, in practice that isnt what happens.

easily 95% of the things i moderate are things I find after 12+ hours that no one ever reported, usually even very obvious offenders, nudity, advertisements, etc. People dont report it for a few reasons

First the average user doesnt know enough about the rules to know when to report. Second they feel like a burden reporting it like they are complaining. Thirdly they assume that content is allowed if its around and not noticed on an instance that isnt very active.

But most importantly most people wont join a timeline riddles with ads and spam and stick around and be proactive about reporting in the hope it cleans it up. By the time a user reports it it is too late.

Think of it like email. Would you be ok with an email service that does absolutely nothing to pre-emptively prevent spam before you see it? If it relied entierly on your own blocking of servers **after** you identify spam in order to prevent it. Of course not, its the same here.

The end result is usually not that people will report it, but rather people will simply leave the server and go to a place where the timeline isnt filled with spam in the first place.

@saxnot

@jump_spider The only reason it hasnt escalated is because the chinese already won because people know they will get shot if they stand up.. Im not sure preventing escalation by ensuring the people are on the loosing side is actually a good thing.

Yes people would die if they had guns, probably more of them than if they didnt. But at least it is a fight they could choose to have or not, and potentially win. As it stands right now they dont have the choice at all to put their life on the line for freedom, that isnt a good thing.

@Wolf480pl by that logic even busybox isnt linux then because it puts a lot of functionality in a single unified binary.

I get what you are saying though, it doesnt fit the typical pattern other distros have.

@matrix Its not a horrific style of handwriting, ive seen worse. But not one i find attractive either.

Someone made a Script out of Donald Trump's handwriting and named it "Tiny Hand". The link also includes a font you can download. This is the funniest thing I heard in a while.

https://www.fastcompany.com/3064790/donald-trumps-crazy-handwriting-is-now-a-free-font-called-tiny-hand

#uspol #calligraphy #DonaldTrump #trump #typography #font #fonts

@saxnot Agreed, you cant. But if a user is found to be giving clearly dishonest translations that would therefore result in moderator action.

So that can be easily addressed.

@Wolf480pl So if i install an openwrt daemon on my linux machine it would stop being linux even if i dont change anything else, just because its highly integrated?

I entirely agree with this message on #gunrights. HK is a prime example of the need for such rights in civil defense against tyranny.

@saxnot Indeed but in this case there is a functional need. We simply cant moderate effectively if everyone talks a different language. Most of that with regards to advertising